[ayso45-refs] U-11 goal kick and substitution situation

[Beau James]

Please, let's keep this thread among the referees.

Lillie, Brian wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> I think there were several errors by the ref and coach:
>
> -the ref waived on the players even though the ones to be replaced 
> were still on the field
>
> -the ref didn't tell (or motion) to the sweeper kicking the goal kick 
> to wait
>
> -the coach let them go on the field before the players came off
>
> -the ref made a decision to give an indirect kick within 6 feet of the 
> goal in a no score game as opposed to simply asking for re-kick
>
> I totally understand that the refs decision is final - no question. I 
> am a coach and a ref and I get that. I just think it was the wrong 
> call and wanted to get the opinion of fellow refs.
>

Which is entirely appropriate and a big part of the reason why we have 
out region's referee mailing list.

I agree with you that multiple procedural errors occurred.

As Peter said, from your description alone, we don't know the reason 
that the referee awarded an indirect free kick. I think you are implying 
that it was because the sweeper took the goal kick while the 
substitution was in progress - but do you know that  that was the reason 
for the IFK, or are you assuming so?

Whatever the reason for the IFK ... where should an IFK awarded to the 
attacking team, inside the defending team's goal area, be taken?

Beau

>
> No worries,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
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>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   Peter Keenan [mailto:pbkeenan at pacbell.net]
> Sent:   Saturday, September 01, 2007 09:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
> To:     Lillie, Brian
> Cc:     Beau James; AYSO Region 45 Referee Mailing List; AYSO Region 
> 45 Coaches Mailing List
> Subject:        Re: [ayso45-refs] First Pizza night of the fall season 
> / makeup "returning referee" meeting
>
> Brian,
>
> It may have been the correct call.
> But it also sounds like incorrect substitution procedure by the coach.
> Each substituted player should leave the field before the sub enters 
> and becomes a player.
>
> There is no information in the question on the reason for the 
> indirect free kick.
> The referee is the one to supply this information.
>
> And, the refs decision is final.  Game is over and we have to learn 
> to live with the decisions of others.
> There are possible reasons for this to be the correct call.
>
> Join us for Pizza and let's talk it out.
>
> Enjoy the game,
> Peter
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Lillie, Brian wrote:
>
> > Fellow Refs:
> >
> > I have a question for everyone on a situation I saw in a U-11 game 
> > today.
> >
> > The situation was a goal kick for team A. The ref had waived in 
> > subs for team A and they were already on the field and the girls 
> > they were replacing were 10 feet from the sideline when the sweeper 
> > for team A kicked the goal kick.
> >
> > The ref stopped play and gave an indirect kick to team B inside 
> > team A's goal box (about 6 feet from the box) and team B scored and 
> > won the game.
> >
> > Was that the right call? He had waived the girls in and did not 
> > have his hand up to the girl kicking the goal kick. It seems it 
> > wasn't a great call given the circumstances -- it truly affected 
> > the outcome of the game.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your answer to my question,
> >
> > Brian
> >
>

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