[ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes

Mon Oct 2 19:32:05 EDT 2006

Normally Bob does this - and I will let him comment.... but Law 4 is
specific about player equipment. Copied from the FIFA site - 

A player must not use equipment or wear anything that is dangerous to
himself or another player (including any kind of jewellery) (and yes - FIFA
spells jewellery the British way.)

(Compulsory equipment stuff deleted)

For any infringement of this Law: (comments --> shown with each law sub
bullets.)

. play need not be stopped --> clear about that - no need to stop the game
to tie a shoe lace.

. the player at fault is instructed by the referee to leave the field of
play to correct his equipment --> For younger players, look for the proper
stoppage (as the next bullet item suggests) and talk to the coach to help
you with that. For U12 and above - you can do that i.e. ask the player to
fix the equipment and return or - let them do it on the field if needed.

. the player leaves the field of play when the ball next ceases to be in
play, unless he has already corrected his equipment --> you may not need to
do that - for younger players, the coach can ask the player to put one foot
on the touch line while s/he fixes the players lace. For older players, if
they don't know how to tie the lace (or for that matter any other thing e.g.
removing jewellery :-) ) you can ask them to leave

. any player required to leave the field of play to correct his equipment
does not re-enter without the referee's permission

. the referee checks that the player's equipment is correct before allowing
him to re-enter the field of play --> for younger players a visual check to
see if the shoe laces are tied properly is OK. This step may not be
necessary if the player is already on the field while the coach is tying the
laces.

. the player is only allowed to re-enter the field of play when the ball is
out of play

Hope this clarifies. Keep in mind doing it discretely so that the bad
equipment is not highlighted for the player at fault, would go a long way in
building a trust with you. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
On Behalf Of Barry Bruins (bbruins)
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:44 PM
To: David Luskin; Robert L. Henderson; ayso45-refs
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes

My take is that you ask the kid to tie his shoes at a stoppage.  If

he/she can't without adult help, then they go to the touch line and get

help.  Play should continue if they need that help.  Eventually that

amount of trouble will give the parents and child the motivation to

learn.

Barry

-----Original Message-----

From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org

[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org] On Behalf Of David Luskin

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:53 AM

To: 'Robert L. Henderson'; 'ayso45-refs'

Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes

The problem is, due to the wonders of Velcro, many children do not know

how to tie their own shoes.  I believe they figure it out before they

graduate from High School, but whereas in the old days every child knew

by 5 years old, even at the U9 level a significant number of children do

not know how.

So it is not a matter of simply telling/yelling to the child to tie his

shoes when he has a chance.  Rather an adult is needed.  A referee can't

ref while he is tying a shoe.  Further, if a ref decides to risk

ignoring play for a minute to tie a players shoe while play is away from

the child, while you are in the middle of tying play can return to the

player.  This then has the effect of putting the players team down a

person as the player is rooted in place while their shoe is being tied.

Plus the risk and problems associated with ref being unavailable for a

minute or so.

Another option is to send the child to the sideline for a coach or

parent to tie their shoe while play continues.  This has the unfortunate

effect of putting the team down by one player.  And if the child happens

to be a critical defender, it might end up being the reason another team

scores a goal.

Of course, one can reason that if the opposing team scores a goal

because a child is involved in having their shoes tied that is their

penalty for not taking care of it properly in the first place.  But, as

the child is likely not who tied their shoe in the first place, this

does not seem to conform to "safe, fun, and fair".  In particular, not

fair, as well as not fun.

So, with lots of ignorance, I would suggest that for some age groups

(perhaps U9 and below) that some stop of play be allowed for tying of

laces.

If the problem seems out of control, such as maybe more than one or two

stoppages in a half, then the ref could tell the coaches that the next

time it occurs a player will be sent to the sideline for a coach or

parent to handle the problem and play will not be stopped.

Regards,

David Luskin

-----Original Message-----

From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org

[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]

On Behalf Of Robert L. Henderson

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:29 PM

To: thad at yahoo.com; ayso45-refs

Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes

Generally, there is no need to stop play unless you feel the player is 

in immediate risk.    The player should be told to tie the shoe and can 

do this while play is away from that player, such as at the other end of

the field.   If play has stopped (for a throw-in, free kick, etc),  you 

may hold up the restart to allow the player to deal with the shoe.

Thad White wrote:

> Hi Bob,

> 

> I have another question about stopping the game for untied shoes.  I

assume

> that this is ok since it is an unsafe condition.  But I don't remember

> any specific training on this.  Could you just confirm that this is 

> reason for stopping play and then resuming with a no-fault drop ball?

> 

> Thanks,

> Thad

> 

> 

> 

>   

-- 

Bob Henderson

  Starships piloted

    Dragons slain

      Soccer Refereed

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