[ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes

[Jordan Dea-Mattson]

Hi All -

This is how I handle it.

If I notice an untied show, I ask the child to get it tied somewhere
where they are out of play. If they can't tie it themselves, I ask
them to go and get someone to help them at the touch line.

This has been received very well in all the games I have refed.

Yours,

Jordan

On 10/2/06, Barry Bruins (bbruins) <bbruins at cisco.com> wrote:
> My take is that you ask the kid to tie his shoes at a stoppage.  If
> he/she can't without adult help, then they go to the touch line and get
> help.  Play should continue if they need that help.  Eventually that
> amount of trouble will give the parents and child the motivation to
> learn.
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org] On Behalf Of David Luskin
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: 'Robert L. Henderson'; 'ayso45-refs'
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes
>
> The problem is, due to the wonders of Velcro, many children do not know
> how to tie their own shoes.  I believe they figure it out before they
> graduate from High School, but whereas in the old days every child knew
> by 5 years old, even at the U9 level a significant number of children do
> not know how.
>
> So it is not a matter of simply telling/yelling to the child to tie his
> shoes when he has a chance.  Rather an adult is needed.  A referee can't
> ref while he is tying a shoe.  Further, if a ref decides to risk
> ignoring play for a minute to tie a players shoe while play is away from
> the child, while you are in the middle of tying play can return to the
> player.  This then has the effect of putting the players team down a
> person as the player is rooted in place while their shoe is being tied.
> Plus the risk and problems associated with ref being unavailable for a
> minute or so.
>
> Another option is to send the child to the sideline for a coach or
> parent to tie their shoe while play continues.  This has the unfortunate
> effect of putting the team down by one player.  And if the child happens
> to be a critical defender, it might end up being the reason another team
> scores a goal.
>
> Of course, one can reason that if the opposing team scores a goal
> because a child is involved in having their shoes tied that is their
> penalty for not taking care of it properly in the first place.  But, as
> the child is likely not who tied their shoe in the first place, this
> does not seem to conform to "safe, fun, and fair".  In particular, not
> fair, as well as not fun.
>
> So, with lots of ignorance, I would suggest that for some age groups
> (perhaps U9 and below) that some stop of play be allowed for tying of
> laces.
> If the problem seems out of control, such as maybe more than one or two
> stoppages in a half, then the ref could tell the coaches that the next
> time it occurs a player will be sent to the sideline for a coach or
> parent to handle the problem and play will not be stopped.
>
> Regards,
> David Luskin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert L. Henderson
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:29 PM
> To: thad at yahoo.com; ayso45-refs
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] question about un-tied shoes
>
> Generally, there is no need to stop play unless you feel the player is
> in immediate risk.    The player should be told to tie the shoe and can
> do this while play is away from that player, such as at the other end of
>
> the field.   If play has stopped (for a throw-in, free kick, etc),  you
> may hold up the restart to allow the player to deal with the shoe.
>
> Thad White wrote:
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > I have another question about stopping the game for untied shoes.  I
> assume
> > that this is ok since it is an unsafe condition.  But I don't remember
>
> > any specific training on this.  Could you just confirm that this is
> > reason for stopping play and then resuming with a no-fault drop ball?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Thad
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Bob Henderson
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>    Dragons slain
>      Soccer Refereed
>
>
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