[ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...

[DAVID M STUBBS]

You mean the older refs won't undestand it? 
Hahahahaha.

-Dave

--- Kelly Cook <kelly at cookerdog.com> wrote:

> That is a very good explanation/description for all.
>  Again, it depends on
> the age group.
> 
> K.
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Geoff Blood
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:50 PM
> To: 'Kirshenbaum, Evan R'; 'Robert L Henderson';
> scan1230 at comcast.net;
> 'Daniel Edelson'; bob at starshippilot.com
> Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
>  
> 
> Evan,
> 
> Actually, I DID have a chance to ask them! Well, at
> leaset ONE of "them".
> At a clinic in SF in 1997, we were visited by a
> member of the FIFA Rules
> committee who participated in the just-completed
> re-write of the LOTG, and
> this issue came up.  I can't quote him exactly, but
> the gist of what he said
> was that this is a foul against the GK who should
> know better than to handle
> the ball off the foot of his/her teammate.  He/she
> gets to use his/her hands
> in defense of the goal, NOT to take the ball "out of
> contension" and slow
> down the game.  He/she may legally act as a field
> player in this case, but
> NOT as a GoalKeeper, since there is no "keeping"
> involved.
> 
>  
> 
> It is NOT a foul against the defender, it is a foul
> against the 'keeper for
> abusing his/her privilege to handle the ball in
> protecting the goal.
> 
>  
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Geoff
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Kirshenbaum, Evan R
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:49 AM
> To: Robert L Henderson; scan1230 at comcast.net; Daniel
> Edelson;
> bob at starshippilot.com
> Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> My suspicion is that if you actually asked the
> person who wrote those words,
> they would tell you that all they meant was that it
> was still "kicked to"
> even if the keeper needs to move a bit to get it,
> but that the ball needs to
> at least have been plausibly intended to go to him. 
> If the ball is kicked
> "in the direction away from the goalkeeper"
> (especially if the intent was to
> get the ball out--to a place where he can't use his
> hands) and the keeper
> has to run and get it, that wouldn't really seem to
> be the sort of thing
> that's intended (unless the referee thinks that it's
> the sort of "deliberate
> trick to circumvent the Law" mentioned in Decision
> 3).  Similarly, if the
> keeper intercepts a clear pass between two teammates
> to prevent it from
> being headed in by an opponent, I doubt that it
> really falls within the
> intended spirit of the law (or the advice).
> 
>  
> 
> evan
> 
>  
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> 
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert L Henderson
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:25 PM
> To: scan1230 at comcast.net; 'Daniel Edelson';
> bob at starshippilot.com
> Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> In the second scenario, why would it not be an
> infraction?   We do not judge
> the intent of  the defender,  only if his/her kick
> was "controlled".   The
> advice clear states that "kicked to" means to any
> place that the keeper can
> get to.   It does NOT have to be kicked toward the
> keeper.   As always,  it
> is ITOTR, "in the opinion of the Referee".
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  Bob Henderson
> Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of scan1230 at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:05 PM
> To: Daniel Edelson; bob at starshippilot.com
> Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> I'd like to get a clarification in James' second
> scenario.  It's common that
> a U10 defender intends to clear the ball in the
> penalty area in the
> direction away from the goalkeeper but the ball
> doesn't go very far.  If the
> goalkeeper runs toward the ball and grabs it, it
> shouldn't be an offence,
> right?  The ball is not deliberately kicked to the
> goalkeeper.
> 
>  
> 
> Regarding Randy's email, I agree that the young
> players, e.g., U10, never
> intend to waste time by passing the ball back to the
> goalkeeper.  When they
> deliberately kick to the goalkeeper it's usually
> because they are under
> pressure by the opposing team.  I thought we were
> asked to enforce this rule
> in region 45 starting a few weeks ago.  Are we still
> supposed to give
> warning, whether it's once or twice?
> 
>  
> 
> Stan
> 
>  
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Daniel Edelson" <dre at edelsonassoc.com> 
> 
> Thanks. This is very clear. I previously
> misunderstood "to him" as requiring
> intent of directing the ball to the goalkeeper.
> 
>  
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> 
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:45 PM
> To: 'James Klazura'; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
>  
> 
> Remember the offense is commited by the Goalkeeper, 
> not his/her teammate,
> the defender.   Also, the term "pass" does not enter
> into the definition of
> the offense.
> 
>  
> 
> 
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