[ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
Beau James
b_james at pacbell.net
Sat Nov 4 18:24:34 EST 2006
richard kolyer wrote:
>Let's see if I understand this...
>
>The ball passes in front of the goal after being
>dribbled/controlled by a defender. An attacker runs
>forward to boot it into the goal. The goalie cannot
>scoop up the ball, dive on it, or otherwise use his
>hands? He has to wait until the attacker takes a shot
>before he can act as a goalie (vs regular player)
>otherwise he commits a hand ball infraction within the
>penalty area?
>
>
If by "hand ball infraction" you are thinking of "deliberate handling"
(a penal foul): no.
The keeper cannot commit that foul inside his own penalty area.
However, the keeper may have committed a violation of the special goalkeeper
restrictions in Law 12, which are punished by an indirect free kick.
Here are a couple of interesting questions on this topic with official
responses from
Jim Allen, the USSF National Instructor and National Assessor. But as
Randy Harr
responded earlier in this thread: be sure that you are applying this law
in an age-
appropriate way!
GOALKEEPER HANDLING DELIBERATELY IN OWN PENALTY AREA
Your question:
A defender passes the ball within his own penalty area. The ball is
about to be poked in to the empty net by an attacker when the
goalkeeper grabs the ball. You blow the whistle for an indirect free
kick. What do you do next?
a) Award a yellow card to the goalkeeper
b) Award a red card to the goalkeeper
c) Nothing. Just award the indirect free kick and ensure that it is
taken correctly.
in this case the goalkeeper prevented an obvious goal scoring
opportunity - what is the right answer - this happened in my game
the other day
USSF answer (October 11, 2006):
If a player deliberately kicks the ball towards his (or her) own
goalkeeper and the goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball, thus
denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity, the restart is an indirect free kick from where the
offence occurred, bearing in mind the special circumstances covered
in Law 8.
If the referee believes that the goalkeeper knew that without this
illegal intervention, the ball would enter the goal, the referee
could take action. The goalkeeper's action could be considered as
unsporting behavior. The argument would be that the goalkeeper could
have chosen not to handle the ball deliberately but rather to use
another part of his body to change the path of the ball.
In short, an indirect free kick and a definite caution is the
correct action to take if, in the opinion of the referee, the
goalkeeper knew that without the illegal intervention the ball would
enter the goal.
Why is this not a send-off (red card) for "denying an obvious
goal-scoring opportunity"? It would be
for any other defender, but the keeper has a special exemption. Law 12,
sending-off offenses #4:
* denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity by delibearately handling the ball (this does not apply
to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
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Regarding some scenarios posted earlier in this thread, such as a
defender attempting to clear the ball
forward, failing to get the ball out of the penalty area, and the keeper
then grabbing the ball: until this
ear, the Advice to Referees was clear. This would consitute an
infraction by keeper, punishable by an
indirect free kick for the attacking team.
However, ATR 12.20 changed in the most recent (August 2006) edition.
The ATR now says:
12.20 BALL KICKED TO THE GOALKEEPER
A goalkeeper infringes Law 12 if he or she touches the ball with the
hands directly after it has been deliberately kicked to him or her
by a teammate. The requirement that the ball be kicked means only
that it has been played with the foot. The requirement that the ball
be "kicked to" the goalkeeper means only that the play is to or
toward a place where the keeper can legally handle the ball. The
requirement that the ball be "deliberately kicked" means that the
play on the ball is deliberate and does not include situations in
which the ball has been, in the opinion of the referee, accidentally
deflected or misdirected. The goalkeeper has infringed the Law by
handling the ball after initially playing the ball in some other way
(e.g., with the feet). This offense, like any other, may be ignored
for the moment if it is trifling or doubtful (see Advice 5.6).
NOTE: (a) The goalkeeper is permitted to dribble into the penalty
area and then pick up any ball played legally (not kicked
deliberately to the goalkeeper or to a place where the goalkeeper
can easily play it) by a teammate or played in any manner by an
opponent. (b) This portion of the Law was written to help referees
cope with timewasting tactics by teams, not to punish players who
are playing within the Spirit of the Game.
The key modification in 2006 is the addition of clause (b) to the Note:
(b) This portion of the Law was written to help referees cope with
timewasting tactics by teams, not to punish players who are playing
within the Spirit of the Game.
Here's an application of that new clause in one of Jim Allen's recent
responses:
BALL KICKED TO THE GOALKEEPER
Question:
A fellow referee & I were discussing a call he made during a girls
high school game. A defender deliberately kicked the ball with her
foot back to the keeper who attempted to play the ball with her
foot. The ball glanced off her foot and headed toward the goal line.
The keeper ran back and picked up the ball with her hands. The
referee allowed play to continue. He and his partner reasoned after
the game that because the keeper intended to play the ball with her
foot and had actually made contact with the ball that she could then
be allowed to pick the ball up with her hands. I disagreed with him
and said he should have awarded an IFK to the attacking team.. Your
thoughts please.
Answer (September 12, 2006):
The fact that the goalkeeper attempted to play the ball with her
foot does not override the fact that the ball was deliberately
kicked by a teammate. However, the principle behind the change in
the Laws was to prevent time wasting. It appears clear from the
situation you describe that there were no timewasting tactics here,
so the intelligent referee might decide to overlook this trifling
infringement and continue on with the game.
Based on the new note in the 2006 ATR, and on Jim Allen's response to
the scenario above,
I suggest that most of the AYSO scenarios that have been posted in this
thread:
- are violations of Law 12, committed by the keeper
- but are trifling infingements, which in most game situations the
referee would choose to ignore
Beau
>Sounds like rules committee really wants the attackers
>to have the advantage here...
>
>
>--- Robert L Henderson <hender at pbspro.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>In the second scenario, why would it not be an
>>infraction? We do not judge
>>the intent of the defender, only if his/her kick
>>was "controlled". The
>>advice clear states that "kicked to" means to any
>>place that the keeper can
>>get to. It does NOT have to be kicked toward the
>>keeper. As always, it
>>is ITOTR, "in the opinion of the Referee".
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Henderson
>>Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
>>[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
>>On Behalf Of scan1230 at comcast.net
>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:05 PM
>>To: Daniel Edelson; bob at starshippilot.com
>>Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
>>Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
>>
>>
>>I'd like to get a clarification in James' second
>>scenario. It's common that
>>a U10 defender intends to clear the ball in the
>>penalty area in the
>>direction away from the goalkeeper but the ball
>>doesn't go very far. If the
>>goalkeeper runs toward the ball and grabs it, it
>>shouldn't be an offence,
>>right? The ball is not deliberately kicked to the
>>goalkeeper.
>>
>>Regarding Randy's email, I agree that the young
>>players, e.g., U10, never
>>intend to waste time by passing the ball back to the
>>goalkeeper. When they
>>deliberately kick to the goalkeeper it's usually
>>because they are under
>>pressure by the opposing team. I thought we were
>>asked to enforce this rule
>>in region 45 starting a few weeks ago. Are we still
>>supposed to give
>>warning, whether it's once or twice?
>>
>>Stan
>>
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>From: "Daniel Edelson" <dre at edelsonassoc.com>
>>
>>Thanks. This is very clear. I previously
>>misunderstood "to him" as requiring
>>intent of directing the ball to the goalkeeper.
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
>>[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
>>On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:45 PM
>>To: 'James Klazura'; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
>>Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
>>
>>
>>
>>Remember the offense is commited by the Goalkeeper,
>>not his/her teammate,
>>the defender. Also, the term "pass" does not enter
>>into the definition of
>>the offense.
>>
>>Lets look at the Advise to Referees published by
>>USSF...
>>
>>12.20 BALL KICKED TO THE GOALKEEPER
>>
>>A goalkeeper infringes Law 12 if he or she touches
>>the ball with the hands
>>directly after it has been
>>
>>deliberately kicked to him or her by a teammate. The
>>requirement that the
>>ball be kicked means only
>>
>>that it has been played with the foot. The
>>requirement that the ball be
>>"kicked to" the goalkeeper
>>
>>means only that the play is to or toward a place
>>where the âEUR?keeper can
>>legally handle the ball. The
>>
>>requirement that the ball be "deliberately kicked"
>>means that the play on
>>the ball is deliberate and does
>>
>>not include situations in which the ball has been,
>>in the opinion of the
>>referee, accidentally deflected or
>>
>>misdirected.
>>
>>
>>So, if in your opinion as the Referee, the
>>defender controlled the ball (
>>it wasn't a deflection, or a muff ), then it is an
>>offense on the part of
>>the Keeper to handle the ball. The restart would
>>be a Indirect Free Kick,
>>IFK, from the point at which the Keeper touched the
>>ball, suject to the
>>"special circumstances of Law 8".
>>
>>Be careful of the use of the word "penalty", that
>>implies the special form
>>of the direct free kick awarded when a "major" fould
>>is commited in the
>>Penalty Area.
>>
>> Bob Henderson
>>Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
>>[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
>>On Behalf Of James Klazura
>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:32 AM
>>To: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
>>Subject: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
>>
>>
>>
>>What if a defender has control and the goalie comes
>>up and picks up the ball
>>(the defender did not pass it to her nor did she
>>know the goalie was going
>>to pick it up)? Is that a penalty?
>>
>>
>>
>>What if defender had control and then started to
>>clear it, but didnâEUR^(TM)t kick
>>it hard enough (ball still in the penalty area), and
>>the goalie runs out to
>>get it?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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