[ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...

[richard kolyer]

Let's see if I understand this...

The ball passes in front of the goal after being
dribbled/controlled by a defender. An attacker runs
forward to boot it into the goal. The goalie cannot
scoop up the ball, dive on it, or otherwise use his
hands? He has to wait until the attacker takes a shot
before he can act as a goalie (vs regular player)
otherwise he commits a hand ball infraction within the
penalty area?

Sounds like rules committee really wants the attackers
to have the advantage here...


--- Robert L Henderson <hender at pbspro.com> wrote:

> In the second scenario, why would it not be an
> infraction?   We do not judge
> the intent of  the defender,  only if his/her kick
> was "controlled".   The
> advice clear states that "kicked to" means to any
> place that the keeper can
> get to.   It does NOT have to be kicked toward the
> keeper.   As always,  it
> is ITOTR, "in the opinion of the Referee".
>  
>  
> 
>  Bob Henderson
> Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of scan1230 at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:05 PM
> To: Daniel Edelson; bob at starshippilot.com
> Cc: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> 
> I'd like to get a clarification in James' second
> scenario.  It's common that
> a U10 defender intends to clear the ball in the
> penalty area in the
> direction away from the goalkeeper but the ball
> doesn't go very far.  If the
> goalkeeper runs toward the ball and grabs it, it
> shouldn't be an offence,
> right?  The ball is not deliberately kicked to the
> goalkeeper.
>  
> Regarding Randy's email, I agree that the young
> players, e.g., U10, never
> intend to waste time by passing the ball back to the
> goalkeeper.  When they
> deliberately kick to the goalkeeper it's usually
> because they are under
> pressure by the opposing team.  I thought we were
> asked to enforce this rule
> in region 45 starting a few weeks ago.  Are we still
> supposed to give
> warning, whether it's once or twice?
>  
> Stan
>  
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Daniel Edelson" <dre at edelsonassoc.com> 
> 
> Thanks. This is very clear. I previously
> misunderstood "to him" as requiring
> intent of directing the ball to the goalkeeper.
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:45 PM
> To: 'James Klazura'; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> 
>  
> Remember the offense is commited by the Goalkeeper, 
> not his/her teammate,
> the defender.   Also, the term "pass" does not enter
> into the definition of
> the offense.
>  
> Lets look at the Advise to Referees published by
> USSF...
>  
> 12.20 BALL KICKED TO THE GOALKEEPER
> 
> A goalkeeper infringes Law 12 if he or she touches
> the ball with the hands
> directly after it has been
> 
> deliberately kicked to him or her by a teammate. The
> requirement that the
> ball be kicked means only
> 
> that it has been played with the foot. The
> requirement that the ball be
> "kicked to" the goalkeeper
> 
> means only that the play is to or toward a place
> where the �keeper can
> legally handle the ball. The
> 
> requirement that the ball be "deliberately kicked"
> means that the play on
> the ball is deliberate and does
> 
> not include situations in which the ball has been,
> in the opinion of the
> referee, accidentally deflected or
> 
> misdirected.
> 
>  
> So,  if in your opinion as the Referee,  the
> defender controlled the ball (
> it wasn't a deflection, or a muff ),  then it is an
> offense on the part of
> the Keeper to handle the ball.   The restart would
> be a Indirect Free Kick,
> IFK, from the point at which the Keeper touched the
> ball, suject to the
> "special circumstances of Law 8".  
>  
> Be careful of the use of the word "penalty",   that
> implies the special form
> of the direct free kick awarded when a "major" fould
> is commited in the
> Penalty Area.
> 
>  Bob Henderson
> Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro 
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
> On Behalf Of James Klazura
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:32 AM
> To: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
> Subject: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...
> 
> 
> 
> What if a defender has control and the goalie comes
> up and picks up the ball
> (the defender did not pass it to her nor did she
> know the goalie was going
> to pick it up)?  Is that a penalty?
> 
>  
> 
> What if defender had control and then started to
> clear it, but didn’t kick
> it hard enough (ball still in the penalty area), and
> the goalie runs out to
> get it?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> James
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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