[ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...

[Robert L Henderson]

In the second scenario, why would it not be an infraction?   We do not judge
the intent of  the defender,  only if his/her kick was "controlled".   The
advice clear states that "kicked to" means to any place that the keeper can
get to.   It does NOT have to be kicked toward the keeper.   As always,  it
is ITOTR, "in the opinion of the Referee".
 
 

 Bob Henderson
Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro 

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I'd like to get a clarification in James' second scenario.  It's common that
a U10 defender intends to clear the ball in the penalty area in the
direction away from the goalkeeper but the ball doesn't go very far.  If the
goalkeeper runs toward the ball and grabs it, it shouldn't be an offence,
right?  The ball is not deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper.
 
Regarding Randy's email, I agree that the young players, e.g., U10, never
intend to waste time by passing the ball back to the goalkeeper.  When they
deliberately kick to the goalkeeper it's usually because they are under
pressure by the opposing team.  I thought we were asked to enforce this rule
in region 45 starting a few weeks ago.  Are we still supposed to give
warning, whether it's once or twice?
 
Stan
 

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From: "Daniel Edelson" <dre at edelsonassoc.com> 

Thanks. This is very clear. I previously misunderstood "to him" as requiring
intent of directing the ball to the goalkeeper.

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From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:45 PM
To: 'James Klazura'; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...


 
Remember the offense is commited by the Goalkeeper,  not his/her teammate,
the defender.   Also, the term "pass" does not enter into the definition of
the offense.
 
Lets look at the Advise to Referees published by USSF...
 
12.20 BALL KICKED TO THE GOALKEEPER

A goalkeeper infringes Law 12 if he or she touches the ball with the hands
directly after it has been

deliberately kicked to him or her by a teammate. The requirement that the
ball be kicked means only

that it has been played with the foot. The requirement that the ball be
"kicked to" the goalkeeper

means only that the play is to or toward a place where the �keeper can
legally handle the ball. The

requirement that the ball be "deliberately kicked" means that the play on
the ball is deliberate and does

not include situations in which the ball has been, in the opinion of the
referee, accidentally deflected or

misdirected.

 
So,  if in your opinion as the Referee,  the defender controlled the ball (
it wasn't a deflection, or a muff ),  then it is an offense on the part of
the Keeper to handle the ball.   The restart would be a Indirect Free Kick,
IFK, from the point at which the Keeper touched the ball, suject to the
"special circumstances of Law 8".  
 
Be careful of the use of the word "penalty",   that implies the special form
of the direct free kick awarded when a "major" fould is commited in the
Penalty Area.

 Bob Henderson
Altair Grid Technologies - PBS Pro 

 
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On Behalf Of James Klazura
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:32 AM
To: ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
Subject: [ayso45-refs] Goalie grabs ball...



What if a defender has control and the goalie comes up and picks up the ball
(the defender did not pass it to her nor did she know the goalie was going
to pick it up)?  Is that a penalty?

 

What if defender had control and then started to clear it, but didn’t kick
it hard enough (ball still in the penalty area), and the goalie runs out to
get it?


Thanks,
James

 

 

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